iPhone 4信号问题和诚信问题

To Sean:

I have presented my understanding on how the whole thing happened and accept iPhone 4 as the best smartphone with a reception issue meanwhile satisfied with apple's solution

I am happy to highlight the truth I heard step by step and if u like please tell me what step u think apple was doing it wrong and can't accept it in ur logic
1 apple developed the iphone4 and put a lot of innovation techs in it and also re-design the form factor
2 apple and ATT went through the laughing procedure and found the reception issue
3 following the procedure from both side. Apple and AT&T decided to give it a go due to this is a common issue and not meet the blocking level
4 users found this issue and report it to apple
5 22 days later after the issue was first reported, apple held a press conference and announced free case and full refund within 30 days solution
6 apple acknowledged it as a issue by saying apple is not perfect and this issue caused a incovienence to users but what apple has been doing hardly is surprise users by innovative techs

My logic follows above as well and again please let me know what's ur point or any steps ur not happy with

我原来以为只有我是这种感觉，呵呵

Maybe some more words to all:

Apple is a  business company and earning money for the stakeholder is the first job but who isn't except the charity. I like apple is because it can bring something really awesome and keep pushing the industry forward to make better products for everybody. Before apple entered into mobile phone industry in 2007. I used mobile phone nine years but from nokia 3310 to samsung nothing really changed but since 2007 mobile phone is changing everyday. Same thing happened to thin laptop, now I can buy a really thin and light laptop even it doesn't have to be Mac air.

Why we have to be so small even can't tolerate just once to a company which brought some many good  things to us. Innovation is not coming freely and at some moments we may need to pay. Actually we don't really have to pay it and it's apple to pay it due to the full refund.then tell me what else really pissed us.

I like apple because it surprises me it provides me options it let me be typing this now in the bed by my iphone. I like apple because jobs inspired me in many ways. 

你这个123456是你听到消息的和你相信的事实，但这首先不是你的思考过程其次不是一个逻辑证明过程

你试图证明的几个论点是：
1 苹果的天线问题不是实质性问题，是大部分智能手机都有的问题
2 苹果测试部门在发布之前知道这个问题，但他们和运营商商量过了，认为这个问题可以接受
3 乔布斯在这件事上没有对大众撒谎，他被测试部门蒙在鼓里了，直到被新闻报道了，他本人才知道

然后看你的论证：
1 根据你掌握的情报，所有在西方运营商上市的手机，都有很多问题，因此苹果的天线问题不是实质问题；根据目前的出货量和报修率数据来看，终端用户反响不大；根据股票市场来看，投资者没有把天线问题当成大问题
2 根据你对无线运营商的了解，应该是这样
3 根据乔本人的发言，和你对他的了解，应该是这样

首先，2和3是没有任何根据的想当然，在你没有给出任何实质证据的情况下，你的业内人士身份并不给你的辩论加分。

然后，天线门发布会我也看了，你的观点和证据全都是乔布斯在发布会上已经说过了的--除了股票市场。把股票市场搬出来说事也是可笑的，既然你要把微软的bug拿来和天线做比较，那你几时看到说微软的bug会导致微软股票下跌？--
你所说的观点，你所给出的论据，全都不是你本人的思考，而是全盘照搬乔布斯的话。这样的辩论有任何意义吗？你不如直接给个视频的链接，还比你说的清楚直观的多。

另外，你和potian一直说国内人没几个用过ip4，所以新浪没资格做投票，那youtube上的发布会视频下面的几千条comment你们就不提了？

&q

没想到你这么老的资格，也需要找到了共同音才敢发言

如果自认为资格老就可以乱说话，那这个社会还有什么希望

我一开始不说是因为这种感觉完全可能是因为我和你在争论造成的，完全可能是我的偏见

Ok Seen, I already knew what's difference between us. My default setting is trusting people who has credits and stay positive but ur default setting is doubting everything and being ready to give a sh*t whenever u can.

U don't have to doubt my knowledge I have been working in a top three  carrier(worldwide) for years and my everyday job is following launching procedure with htc nokia etc.. So programming u better than me but if talk about handsets I know more than u.

Still u did not highlight anything u r not happy with and all u keeping saying is ur telling bullsht he is telling bullsht all is bullsht

What's wrong with u man. I trust jobs and apple based on my koweledge and their credit then tell if u doubted then based on WHAT? Only based on a ugly attitude?

你是专门爱扯淡是不是？ 我说常识重要，你就说常识是民科的爱好；我说资格老的人应该有自信，你就说资格老不能乱说话。

晓之以理看来你是不行了，所以你就改动之以情了？

Ok I quit

Good luck with ur better life without apple.

Ps. I am not a gay so I have no any feeling on u ok? If u want one that would be a sorry.