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   发表时间:2007-06-12  
can we please use JMS for this topic discussion?

... purely floating by ...
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   发表时间:2007-06-12  
lordhong 写道
can we please use JMS for this topic discussion?

... purely floating by ...


恕我愚钝, JMS是java message 吗?

怎么用啊?

我不懂技术,也是刚刚用这个论坛.
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   发表时间:2007-06-12  
楼上全部是火星人,鉴定完毕!
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   发表时间:2007-06-14  
小螃蟹 写道
shaucle 写道
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个人体会:会communication的人一般会比不会communication的人学习能力强一倍以上.而且其差距随着复杂程度程指数上升.
(当然上网也算一种communication)


I really appreciate and admire that you could connect communication with learning capability by index. Could you refer me to such kind of articles?

I agree with you internet is a way to communicate and I have described in the first article the ways of communication in modern time. However, I have to clarify my "communication" here is only limited and defined as face-to-face communication.

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communication其实很需要环境.

I think atmosphere should be created actively but not to wait others to set a bridge to communicate.

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很多老程序员整天盯着电脑,只有处理任务时才可能开下口.(更多还是用了email,msn)
会communication的一般可能当了pm,这也体现出了差别,但pm又太忙了.

Management team and common staff are all busy with work. The difference is manager is busy in work planning and assignment while common staff is in execution. According to varied characteristics, people are fond of varied jobs. Communication is not aiming at promotion but in better and smoothier life.

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当然另一点不能乎略的是勇气.
有时候许多沉默份子也不是自己想沉默,只要你主动一下,还有一些是蛮积极的.


I completely agree with you on this point.


"on these points",,,,,i think, maybe,,,so,,,dont 欺负 me,plz....

无论大小,螃蟹都是横着走的,如何才能让她直着走呢???
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   发表时间:2007-06-14  
cookoo 写道
Obviously there's a dizzy crab between lines here. LOL

What you've talked about reminds me of my business communication textbook. Yet points 1-3 are actually about how to approach a person. It is P4 and P5 that are about understanding.

Understanding people is hard if not always. People won't tell their mind easily and often unconsciously omit many important assumptions since they may think you've already known, or even worse when they imply something on purpose. To read one's mind, a quick and easy skill is to rephrase other's words by saying, e.g. "Do you mean..." or "Are you saying..." to make sure you understand them correctly. Be careful this skill can also be offensive or embressing in certain circumstances depending on cultures.  

Hope you be fine soon~

小螃蟹 写道
cookoo 写道
Nice reading indeed. There's an old saying that "Business is all about communication." though a bit of exaggerated.  Also agree with you on understanding. "First to understand then to be understood" is such a rule of thumb.


I am very glad that you agree with me.

Understanding have several steps:

1. Side-way messages: Before you have chances to talk or communicate to an individual, you may have heard of or collected side-way information or anecdotes about him/her. These related have mixed others' opinions and judgement but still could be taken as one of a resource to understand. And most of understaning we reach when we couldn't talk to a person face-to-face is from side-way messages analysis.

For example, we worship heros or celebrities but we may have no chance in our life to meet them, especially the ones who passed away before we come to life,hahah. Our feelings rise from understanding of their brightness of side-way messages.


2. Appearance judgement: for those who we are luck to meet ourselves, we will be prompt to an apperance judgement. Although our parents chattered a lot about not judging from appearance, we still keep on doing. And it should be considered as a very important factor when we try to find some one to talk in an unfamiliar party or crowd. You are easy to accpet this concept- he looks easy-going and considerate, maybe I could have a try to talk to him; he looks conservative and stubborn, I prefered talking to a monkey to chatting with him.

3. First impression: first impression here means the talking first impression. The topic or hobby your target prefers will have a crucial point on your impression. That is the factor to decide whether this will be the last talk you have with him for the rest of your life.

4. Further communication: When you have listened to his words or stories, you should start contribute to the communication. Otherwise, it will become his speech time or talk-show.

5. Full communication: this is the highest level you reach.

What I am talking here is targeting at the one who is timid to talk or actively to set a target to talk.

Next time I will try to explain more for the above 4 points. Please present your opinions and suggestions.

I am in beijing these weekends and just landed on shanghai. I am so unluck to have the worst pilots in the world. I am dizzy now and please forgive my wording or any unfit points.


不错,这招得小心,对脾气燥的且敏感的人不能用这招,他会觉得你在侮辱他。
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   发表时间:2007-06-14  
lszone 写道
楼上全部是火星人,鉴定完毕!


刚好我在你楼下。。。。。难道,,,,我是传说中的漏网之鱼?
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   发表时间:2007-06-14  
小螃蟹 写道
Communication

I have been paying close attention to javaeye, .............



正好,今天回了几个帖子有提到沟通的事情。
比如这里 http://www.iteye.com/topic/77846
虽然javaeye这里也有讨论沟通,但往往被过分技术化流程化了,但是communication最重要我觉得是感受对方的感受,然后才能知道如何应对,然后才能较好的交换自己的感受,然后才能。。。嗯,好像应该在一瞬间完成,这个先后顺序是推理出来的,呵呵。
所以,
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I know feelings have been forbidden topics here. I suggestion we talk about only communications in work.

我觉得谈谈feeling还是很重要的。。。。
用“觉得”这个词会不会被所谓理性的人BS????

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how on earth to change English input method to Chinese?

呵呵,有趣的论据。。。。。。
还是个绿脚小螃蟹,哈哈


另外,我觉得这个帖子值得转到《软件开发和项目管理》坛子里去,女人在沟通上有天生的优势,这个话题其实可以解决非常多的项目管理中的状况。所以。。。。再次召唤站长,搬帖子啦。。。
欢迎小螃蟹的到来
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   发表时间:2007-06-14  

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I completely agree with you on this point.

"on these points",,,,,i think, maybe,,,so,,,dont 欺负 me,plz....

无论大小,螃蟹都是横着走的,如何才能让她直着走呢???


对不起,我说的是我完全同意他的上面我引用的那句话的观点而不是全部观点所以还应该是on this point.

直走和横走是相对的.只要目的方向正确就行.

不同的是我可以换个角度看世界.也许这样可以更清晰.

我不用回头看过去,因为我一直在注视着过去现在和将来.
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   发表时间:2007-06-14  
basicbest 写道
小螃蟹 写道
Communication

I have been paying close attention to javaeye, .............



正好,今天回了几个帖子有提到沟通的事情。
比如这里 http://www.iteye.com/topic/77846
虽然javaeye这里也有讨论沟通,但往往被过分技术化流程化了,但是communication最重要我觉得是感受对方的感受,然后才能知道如何应对,然后才能较好的交换自己的感受,然后才能。。。嗯,好像应该在一瞬间完成,这个先后顺序是推理出来的,呵呵。
所以,
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I know feelings have been forbidden topics here. I suggestion we talk about only communications in work.

我觉得谈谈feeling还是很重要的。。。。
用“觉得”这个词会不会被所谓理性的人BS????

引用
how on earth to change English input method to Chinese?

呵呵,有趣的论据。。。。。。
还是个绿脚小螃蟹,哈哈


另外,我觉得这个帖子值得转到《软件开发和项目管理》坛子里去,女人在沟通上有天生的优势,这个话题其实可以解决非常多的项目管理中的状况。所以。。。。再次召唤站长,搬帖子啦。。。
欢迎小螃蟹的到来


非常感谢你的关注.我很高兴来到这里和朋友们讨论.
项目管理的话题我也非常感兴趣.
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   发表时间:2007-06-14  
小螃蟹 写道

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I completely agree with you on this point.

"on these points",,,,,i think, maybe,,,so,,,dont 欺负 me,plz....

无论大小,螃蟹都是横着走的,如何才能让她直着走呢???


对不起,我说的是我完全同意他的上面我引用的那句话的观点而不是全部观点所以还应该是on this point.

直走和横走是相对的.只要目的方向正确就行.

不同的是我可以换个角度看世界.也许这样可以更清晰.

我不用回头看过去,因为我一直在注视着过去现在和将来.


爆有水平的回帖,javaeye出现仙女  
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