是重复发明轮子还是a new big thing? easyjweb VS struts2

这篇文章只能说明一个问题,楼主很清闲!

造轮子哪有重复的,肯定是有自己一套了,复制那还叫造吗?  最接近的大概算是将java的写成.net的或是将.net的写成 java. 因此,不存在简单的重复过程.
我用vb6写过spring的ioc,用c#写过xwork/osworkflow 等,亲身体会到这些理解可不是看书或是用所能比的.

至于你所说的那是人品问题,不在讨论之列

前面的前提也很清楚了,有时间,重复造轮子是很有意思的东西.没时间,当然免谈了

我是EasyJF的站长，也是easyjweb的主要开发成员之一。

楼主说的问题确实是我们的失误。

关于maven，官方的网速很慢，另外EasyJWeb涉及到的都是比较新的技术，所以一些库的发布还不完善，另外南北网络问题等诸多因素，我们在m3版本中推荐的是使用ant来管理项目，没有对maven作过多的测试，以后我们会对我们发布的程序做更多的测试。

而http://local.easyjf.com/这个库是我们本地用的，为了本地编译能更快，我们加了这样一个库，但是这个是不应该发布到网上的，这是我们的过失。也正是由于有一个本地库没有和网上的保持同步，导致我们本地编译没问题，而其他人下载回去后可能会编译出错，我们会尽快解决问题。

不知道楼主是从最新svn库中check out的代码？还是直接下载的正式发布的m3版本？下面是我们推荐的体验方式：

下载EasyJWeb的项目，ftp://ftp1.easyjf.com/easyjweb/easyjweb-1.0-m3/easyjweb-1.0-m3.zip

可以不用执行任何maven相关的脚本，因为我们同时都提供了build.xml让你进行简单的体验。

执行Hello World示例(新手推荐)：ftp://ftp1.easyjf.com/easyjweb/easyjweb-1.0-m3/hello.war (1.73M)，直接拷到Tomcat的webapp目录，然后输入http://localhost:8080/hello/hello.ejf
关于这个示例的文档：http://wiki.easyjf.com/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=7536644

执行简单的用户管理系统示例(熟手推荐)：ftp://ftp1.easyjf.com/easyjweb/easyjweb-1.0-m3/simple.war (2.45M)　输入http://localhost:8080/simple/user.ejf 用户名:admin　密码：admin

关于这个示例的详细文档：http://wiki.easyjf.com/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=7536648


关于csdn的文章：那是他们编辑自己选的吧，我们还没有钱请他们帮忙打广告呢，更没钱请枪手了。虽然我们也确实有要Kill掉Struts的野心：），但要实现肯定还得有更多中国人的支持才行，毕竟正如楼主所说，存的问题还不少，很多工作还需一步一步去做。

关于牛皮：正如大家所说“牛皮不是吹的，是靠做的”，所以我在这里非常欢迎国内所有热爱Java开源的朋友们加入到我们的开源队伍中来，我们相信只要大家一起努力，一些东西肯定能被我们改变。

关于轮子：我建议大家看看我们团队的大峡的这篇《玩玩Spring之Rod Johnson 与“轮子理论” 》http://www.blogjava.net/daxia/archive/2006/05/07/44855.html

关于commontemplate.0.7.8.jar
最近我们加入的对国内一个开源模板引擎CommonTemplate的支持，CommonTemplate是国人做的一个开源模板引擎。我们觉得这个模板引擎做的不错，并且是国产的开源产品，因此加入了它的支持。由于commontemplate还没有发布正式版本，他的发布机制也还在完善中，并且是最近才开始和easyjweb集成，改动很多，版本更新频繁，而我们也没有及时把最新的包放到我们的maven库里，才导致会有编译不成功。前面提到了，团队内部都是搭建私服的形式来开发的，因此这是我们的疏忽，今日已经把这个jar放到了maven库中。但是官方发布的m3版本是不存在这个问题的。

    很高兴能够看到Easyjweb的站长的回复，天一能够看完这个帖子还耐心细致的回复，说明Easyjweb还是有成为Big thing的潜质的。
    今天研究了一下你们的code。说实话，没有发现你们有哪些重大的创新。虽然你们整合了好几个项目中好的东西，也是一种就改进，但是不至于放到那么高的位置去宣传吧。
    关于“轮子”的问题，拜读了一下你推荐的大峡的文章，我还是坚持我的观点，没有创新的轮子就是简单的重复。虽然我们在某些时候需要重复，但是在开源领域，抛弃狭隘的思想，你真的认为我们需要吗？
    我是衷心的希望中国的开源事业能够蒸蒸日上，能够有越来越多的人参与，能够发展出世界级的开源项目。但是open一个项目，特别是做好一个open source 的项目还是很困难的。有很多的项目，也有很好的idea和developers，但是都因为种种原因夭折了。所以还是踏踏实实的做吧，不要忽视任何一个细节。
    想把Struts2 kill掉，把Easyjweb变成A big thing，还是踏踏实实的研究一下Spring,Struts,webwork,RoR等web 框架，充分的研究它们的优势和短处再提超越吧。

   我下载了他们发布的那个版本，没发现楼主说的问题，因为我这里的commontemplate是0.7.7的，也许我用的版本跟你不一样吧。总体来说，没有具体看源代码，只是简单的跑了几个示例，所以不好作任何评价。但今天把那篇EasyJWeb vs Struts2看了，基本的也就了解了，推荐楼主可以看一看。
    另外：“把Easyjweb变成A big thing，还是踏踏实实的研究一下Spring,Struts,webwork,RoR等web 框架”，看你说这样的话，好像人家就没踏踏实实研究似的？更希望能看到一些技术上的深入讨论。

看来你没有仔细看原始的帖子。呵呵，我是从SVN上下载的他们的code，然后自己去编译的。“EasyJWeb vs Struts2”这个文章本身不能说明它比struts2更强悍，我也举了例子，你并没有细看。

楼主用一个maven的问题就说别人不专业，而且似乎跟别人发布的项目也对不上号，感觉有点不厚道。照你这么说，请你从struts2的svn上check out一下代码，然后再install一下，你也许会得出让大家更跌眼镜的结论。

你怎么知道对不上号？天一是在我提出这个问题之后fix了他们的问题的。我一直是用同样的方式来看其他利用maven管理的开源项目的源码，从来没有发现问题。提出问题只是提醒他们要注意细节，注意质量，又是如何不厚道了？如果没有人提出这种问题，他们自己发现不了，恐怕所有想通过这种方式了解他们项目的人都会被挡在门外了，难道对Easyjweb的发展是好事？

直接从SVN上check out源码构建的人，应该不是新手。目前easyjweb使用Maven来管理项目，那么build源码的人想必对Maven应该比较熟悉。 easyjweb只有区区几个子工程，楼主一个install居然要1个多小时，甚至要用整个晚上来执行，这说明一个什么问题呢？就算在优秀的项目，其SVN代码库也会有出问题的时候，如果楼主是构建tuscany的源代码是不是要用几个星期，甚至更长的时间？ 在这里真的不想讨论easyjweb的好与坏，但实在忍不住说一句：easyjweb就算再不好，里面仍然有许多值得借鉴的地方！况且这些人执着的精神更是值得表扬，如果换了是我们，有这个毅力和胆识么？ 或许在这里说的有点重，但实无恶意！如有得罪之处，敬请谅解！

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[INFO] Apache Tuscany SCA Scopes Integration Tests ........... SUCCESS [0.063s]
[INFO] Apache Tuscany SCA WSDL Support Integration Tests ..... SUCCESS [0.234s]
[INFO] Apache Tuscany SCA WSDLless Support Integration Tests . SUCCESS [0.219s]
[INFO] Apache Tuscany SCA WSDL2Java Integration Tests ........ SUCCESS [0.234s]
[INFO] Apache Tuscany SCA Web Services Void Args and Return Test  SUCCESS [0.203s]
[INFO] Apache Tuscany SCA Transaction Policy Integration Test  SUCCESS [0.110s]
[INFO] Apache Tuscany SCA BPEL Integration Tests ............. SUCCESS [0.000s]
[INFO] Apache Tuscany SCA HelloWorld BPEL iTest .............. SUCCESS [0.281s]
[INFO] Apache Tuscany SCA Demos .............................. SUCCESS [0.000s]
[INFO] Apache Tuscany SCA Alert Aggregator Demo .............. SUCCESS [2.203s]
[INFO] Apache Tuscany SCA BigBank Account Demo ............... SUCCESS [0.719s]
[INFO] Apache Tuscany SCA BigBank Calculator Demo ............ SUCCESS [0.140s]
[INFO] Apache Tuscany SCA BigBank StockQuote Demo ............ SUCCESS [0.203s]
[INFO] Apache Tuscany SCA Mortgage Credit Check Demo ......... SUCCESS [0.188s]
[INFO] Apache Tuscany SCA Mortgage Loan Approval Demo ........ SUCCESS [0.219s]
[INFO] Apache Tuscany SCA XML BigBank Demo ................... SUCCESS [0.609s]
[INFO] Apache Tuscany SCA Tutorial ........................... SUCCESS [0.016s]
[INFO] Apache Tuscany SCA Tutorial Reusable Assets ........... SUCCESS [0.297s]
[INFO] Apache Tuscany SCA Tutorial Service Cloud ............. SUCCESS [0.578s]
[INFO] Apache Tuscany SCA Tutorial Catalog EJB ............... SUCCESS [0.015s]
[INFO] Apache Tuscany SCA Tutorial Catalog EJB Service ....... SUCCESS [0.219s]
[INFO] Apache Tuscany SCA Tutorial Catalog WAR Contribution .. SUCCESS [0.109s]
[INFO] Apache Tuscany SCA Tutorial Online Store .............. SUCCESS [1.641s]
[INFO] Apache Tuscany SCA Tutorial EU Online Store ........... SUCCESS [2.266s]
[INFO] Apache Tuscany SCA Tutorial WWW Service Cloud ......... SUCCESS [0.218s]
[INFO] Apache Tuscany SCA Tutorial Amazon Cart ............... SUCCESS [1.329s]
[INFO] Apache Tuscany SCA Bundle Jar ......................... SUCCESS [0.625s]
[INFO] Apache Tuscany SCA Manifest Jar ....................... SUCCESS [0.625s]
[INFO] Apache Tuscany SCA WebApp Runtime ..................... SUCCESS [0.421s]
[INFO] Apache Tuscany SCA Distribution ....................... SUCCESS [0.016s]
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[INFO] BUILD SUCCESSFUL
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[INFO] Total time: 1 minute 33 seconds
[INFO] Finished at: Thu Dec 13 14:26:03 CST 2007
[INFO] Final Memory: 49M/95M
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这是eclipse:eclipse用的时间；做install忽略测试也不过12分钟，我的机器是2G内存。